Trump’s White Nationalists, Again

On the face of it, condemning white supremacists and neo-Nazis is one of the politically easiest things to do. Trump, however, seems incapable of engaging in this simple task. Instead, he has continued to act in ways that lend support to the alt-right. After a delayed and reluctant condemnation of the alt-right, Trump returned to his lane by making two claims. The first is the claim that “there is blame on both sides.” The second is the claim that there are good people on both sides. On the face of it, both claims are false. That said, these claims will be given more consideration than they deserve.

If one accepts a very broad concept of blame, then it would be possible to claim that there is blame on both sides. This could be done in the following way. The first step is asserting that a side is responsible if an event would not have taken place without its involvement. This is based, of course, on the notion that accountability is a matter of “but for.” In the case at hand, the relevant claim would be that but for the presence of the counter-protestors, there would have been no violence against them and Heather Heyer would not have been murdered. On this notion of responsibility, both sides are to blame.

While this concept of blame might have some appeal, it is obviously flawed. This is because the application of the principle would entail that any victim or target of a crime or misdeed would share some of the blame for the crime or misdeed. For example, but for a person having property, they would not have been robbed. As another example, but for being present during a terrorist attack, the person would not have been killed. As such, meriting blame would require more than such a broad “but for” condition.

A possible reply to this counter is to argue that the counter-protestors were not mere targets, but were active participants. That is, co-belligerents and co-instigators. To use an analogy, if a bar fight breaks out because two people start insulting each other and then start swinging, then both parties do share the blame. Trump seems to regard what happened in Virginia as analogous to this sort of a bar fight. If this is true, then both sides would bear some of the blame.

Of course, even if both parties were belligerent, then there are still grounds for assigning blame to one side rather than another. For example, if someone goes to a party to misbehave and someone steps up to counter this and is attacked, then the attacker would be to blame. This is because of the moral difference between the two parties: one is acting to commit a misdeed, the other is trying to counter this. In the case of Virginia, the alt-right is in the wrong. They are, after all, endorsing morally wicked views that should be countered.

There is, of course, also the obvious fact that it was a member of the alt-right that is alleged to have driven a car into the crowd, killing one person and injuring others. As such, if any blame is to be placed on a side, it is to be placed on the alt-right.

It could be argued that the action of one person in the alt-right does not make the entire group guilty of the crime. This is certainly a reasonable claim—a group is not automatically responsible for the actions of its worst members, whether the group is made up of Muslims, Christians, whites, blacks, conservatives or liberals. That said, the principles used to assign collective responsibility need to be applied consistently—people have an unfortunate tendency to use different standards for groups they like and groups they dislike. I would certainly agree that the alt-right members who did not engage in violence or instigate it are not responsible for the violence. However, it could be argued that the rhetoric and ideology of the alt-right inherently instigates and urges violence and evil behavior. If so, then all members who accept the ideology of the alt-right are accountable for being part of a group that is dedicated to doing evil. I now turn to Trump’s second claim.

Trump also made the claim that there are good people on both sides. As others have noted, this seems similar to his remarks about Mexicans being rapists and such, but also there being some good Mexicans. As such, Trump’s remark might simply be a Trumpism—something that just pops out of his mouth with no meaning or significance, like a burp. But, let it be assumed for the sake of discussion that Trump was trying to say something meaningful.

Trump is certainly right that there are good people on the side opposed to the alt-right. After all, the alt-right endorses a variety of evil positions and good people oppose evil. As far as good people being in the alt-right, that is not as clear. After all, as was just noted, the values expressed by the alt-right include evil views and it would be unusual for good people to endorse such views. This can, of course, be countered by arguing that the alt-right is not actually evil (which is presumably what many members believe—few people think of themselves as the villains). It can also be countered by asserting that there are good people who are in the alt-right out of error (they are good people, but err in some of their beliefs) or who hope to guide the movement to better goals. It could also be claimed that any group that is large enough will contain at least some good people (as a group will also contain bad people). For example, people often point to General Robert E. Lee as a good person serving an evil cause.

Given these considerations, it does seem possible that there is at least one good person in the alt-right and hence Trump could be right in the strict logical sense of there being some (at least one) good people in the group. But, Trump’s purpose is almost certainly not to make a claim that is trivial in its possible truth. Rather, he seems to be engaged in another false equivalence, that the alt-right and their opponents are morally equivalent because both groups have some good people. Given the evil of the alt-right’s views (which are fundamentally opposed to the expressed values of the United States), saying that both sides are morally the same is obviously to claim what is false. The alt-right is the worse side and objectively so.


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  1. Thank you for a very thought provoking article. I do have a couple of questions.

    “However, it could be argued that the rhetoric and ideology of the alt-right inherently instigates and urges violence and evil behavior.” Does this apply across the board (or aisle as the case may be)? BLM and Antifa are either hate groups or virtuous groups depending on your perspective. Does the violence done by them indict the other members of those groups? Why or why not?

    “Trump also made the claim that there are good people on both sides.” Was he talking about this incident or the larger left vs right clash? I assumed he was referring to this clash. That being said, could some on the protester side be there simply to protest the statue being removed? It is hard to fully understand how this was promoted. Yes, the alt-right was promoting it one way and got their message across. I have also heard that it was about the statue. Thus, people there may not have been part of the alt-right.

    Thanks again for the post.

  2. Kevin Henderson

    “Anyone still supporting Trump, or even abiding him, has made that choice once and for all. You cannot shame the shameless. Focus on action.” Kasparov

    Trump is a coward. Those are his actions. Likewise, many of his racist supporters say he is on their side. And many of the regressive left support violence. It’s retributivism and insecurity all around.

  3. OP, are you still a moral sceptic?? As one myself, I have trouble understanding the justification for some views as “evil” and some as “good.” For example, your rationale for the claim that the alt-right is “the worse side and objectively so,” seems more of an assertion, which ethics is fraught with.

  4. Do you know, what your problem is, you can’t look ahead. Probably this is a common human problem. Look around, and you will see that the human is looking two direction, first direction he is watching his step, second direction he is watching up into the sky. Guys look back on the parties and reflect, who from the past presidents were try to change anything in the economy, in foreign policy, home policy the country who. All, what they did, was cosmetic, but economy is sick, and she need serious changes. Man tries to do something, of course all of the changes cause a reaction, it has always been. And you reason, he is the Nazi or is not a Nazi, you yourself know what the Nazi is, you know the Nazi ideology. Just need a little thought, only five minutes not more, try to switch on your own brains, overgrown with fat, and begin to analyze the situation, and please stop believing corrupt journalists.

  5. From this side of the pond, one watches Trump the iconoclast with awe. He is literally awesome. He is smashing the naive beliefs of Americans in the veracity of the news they read and watch, in the sanctity of presidential office, in climate change and the authority of government departments.

    In short he is teaching the country a valuable lesson.

    97% of all politics is almost completely bovine excrement just to get elected, and the 3% is all bovine excrement, just to get elected.

    Trump acts like you are real stoopid if you dont get this, if you still believe that Liberal Politicians are any different. They are just better at pretending.

    Trump doesn’t bother seriously pretending. He just dashes off these BS statements with a voice as full of insincerity as a Saturday night evangelist.

    And that’s why he is president. You don’t have to worry about Donald lying to you. You know he is. He knows you know he is. And he simply doesn’t care.

    He is quietly doing a lot of stuff. Behind the smoke and mirrors of the clown, he is actually doing stuff. He treats the media with the contempt they deserve feeding them rubbish, which they dutifully swallow whilst he does…something else.

    Smarter than you think, is Trump.

  6. The Man in Black

    I would like to ask wh the alt-right is so “wicked and evil”? They have their own views and opinions. You say the blame tends slightly towards the alt-right supporters, however you do not take in account the fact that the police were ordered to stand down and not separate the both groups. Under the express ordr of the Democrats, the governor of Virginia ordered the police to bring the both groups together and create a clash. I do not personnally support the alt-right and the Nazist/Racist ideas they express however I think Antifa and BLM have constantly expressed violence and dissent whenever someone disagrees with them. If America had a better education system; 1. There would be less Nazi and Racist ideas which prevail in some parts of the country, 2. free speech would be universal and the fact that you shouldnt say something because it makes me uncomfortable is completely stupid.

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